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Seriously?... 99Designs was awarded People's Choice Award for mass crowd sourcing??!.... FUCK YOU. For those who don't know what 99Design is, this is how they operate.

1. Say for example that you are a client who is looking for a logo design.

2. You pitch what you are looking for and a budget onto that website.

3. Massive number of desperate and ignorant graphic designers 'compete' to submit MASSIVE amounts of designs, and the winner gets paid mayyybe the cost of groceries for a week.

This is essentially Craig's List... but endorsed on a professional level.

Hey you want a good design? If you see one that you like, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!!! Just hire another schmuck and copy that 'winner's' design and you'll have a FREE logo!!!! INSTANT PROFITTTTTT

If you don't believe me, go on their website and read their client testimonials ===> 99designs.ca/logo-design

"When you hire one designer you're stuck with their aesthetic and their concept. With 99designs, you get ideas from many different people."

"We have a designer, but he can't do everything himself. [With 99designs] we got ten times the results for a fraction of the cost."

"[If I hired a single designer] I would have no guarantee that the actual outcome would have been anywhere near the same."

REALLY?!??!?!? Tell me you also keep starved Mexican and Chinese kids in your basements doing all your projects for your big clients!!!

Seriously.... how does a website like LinkedIn or New York City give you a Webby Award for your scumbaggery... Go kill yourself 99Devil's Dick.
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CatalanoMedia Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
i started watching you for your art.
Your journals are the icing on the cake.
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290Pika Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student Filmographer
The only time I don't mind design contests is when it's done by a non-profit group (such as an animal shelter, a food pantry, etc. whose monetary efforts are best spent elsewhere), or within some organization that gives back to its members (for instance, my honors college hosts design contests on occasion, like for formal posters or tees).

But this website is just degrading. >_<
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Beowulf22121 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
I'll never use a site like that. Don't care if it's cheaper, it's about paying a professional to do a good job. Another example: I could save a dollar a book to have comic books shipped to me, but I get my books from a local shop, because he's gone through the trouble to open a shop and keep up with all the lore. Plus the only local grocery store to carry the books is usually a month behind.
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Lionheartssj Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Eff that. That has to be illegal on some level.
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JamesLedgerConcepts Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
These sites are just killing the business, as they devalue artists credibility and years of hard work. I tried them (elance, freelancer etc) and quickly moved away from them. I still get people contacting me now asking for a super huge, super high detailed image (a week or 2's work) and they expect it for free or about $30, as they get their pricing ideas from these wonderful slave labor sites.
Artists just aren't taken seriously, and probably never will. As one person told me "artist's arn't exactly skilled and trained, like a waiter or a cashier, so shouldn't be paid as one."
Funny how the clients always want an amazing image with hundreds of revisions as the image is "so important' yet they see the artist as a "unskilled slave".
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Armonah Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013
Those testimonials are just rife with disrespect. Yes, when you hire a designer you get their aesthetic. That is the point. That's why you look at their portfolios and decide for yourself if their style suits you.

I just hate that attitude that art or artists are disposable, people to be exploited rather than engage in a professional relationship with. And I hate sites like these that capitalize on it... and end up making a lot of money as a result. :disbelief:
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RichardPace Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yeah, it's another website proudly making money off of getting people to say fuck you to using developed skills to earn a living.

These sort of prize cattle calls would always get shit on at respectable web sites (hmm, that doesn't really go together, but fuck it), but now that sort of sleazy abuse of talented designers has its own home on the interwebz.

~R
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks Richard. Funny thing that when I showed it to my boss, and he said that people who are working professionally shouldn't be worried because guarantee 99% of the works submitted on that site is garbage, and their quality of skills and results can never match ours. Clients who are cheap will pay for a peanut result. However he also said that for people who are serious on establishing a good enterprise will pay proper time and investment for good images regarding to their company. But he also shares our concern that, we must educate young artists so that they're not unknowingly being exploited in the future. If more people are educated about this, then future sites like this would die off so fast.
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Loone-Wolf Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
Most of the times i just want to blame the profit oriented people and their marketing stuff... Seriously, it's hard to get them to realize it's not just marketing and not just design, more like we need to work together and appreciate each other.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
They're as part of the problem as those who are unaware of this exploited system, and the best way to slow this trend down is to pass the word along. Please share this with any starting artists or your friends!
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Loone-Wolf Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Professional General Artist
will do
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Daemon-Jaeger Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
What the fuck? I've heard of shit like this before, never had a site to put to the idea though.
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AshleyMerrill Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Shared this in my program's Alumni-Teacher-Student's group on FB. We've seen quite a few posts on the subject of free internships and working for grocery store wages pop up recently and I figure this will also fit in nicely. For pity's sake we won't have an industry left to work in if this continues. And it'll snowball to other industries afterwards too.

Also, thanks for the posting on Generation Jobless. I missed it due to work and forgot about checking for it afterwards.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
No problem, if you got the time, please pass this along!
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AshleyMerrill Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Oh dear deities it's worse. I was just browsing youtube and they have mandatory VIDEO ADDS D:
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AshleyMerrill Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I think a few others have passed if from where I posted it already :D
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you!
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EnvyMachinery Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Well, I certainly lack the sustained creativity to be a designer, but this sounds super lame. Company logic always has to boil down to saving money in every way possible for some reason. I get that you want to make the most profit you can, but it really bothers me that companies that are super huge and wouldn't even notice the extra cost of having all of its work done in its home country still outsource, many of which do so in horrifying ways. I know it's all about greed, but I just can't understand it.
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Owl-Robot Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Kind of reminds me of that new TV show, the Job: [link]
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Kamakru Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
What the shit?!
'Get over it, Haters' "And yet, a very vocal minority of designers reading this will still call 99designs the death of the industry. I wrote a long piece here on why 99designs is so controversial and why I think designers need to get over themselves. Every service industry has been disrupted by the Web. You’re no different."
WTF. And then:
"Graphic designers should be thrilled that it took so long to get to them. Go cry to travel agents, independent bookstores, music industry executives and anyone in old media. It’s a sucky reality, but a reality nonetheless."
They have no freaking clue. NO CLUE. Yeah, because we're JUST like a fucking bookstore. Because obviously. D8<

Dammit, why did I have to find out about this while I'm at work. I need to get back to this later tonight.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I love the people defending the site says "$29 million to designers in the first four years of its life".

Yet the details right on their site says out of a client paid roughly $243 of 429 entries, and that's just from 1 hosted 'contest'. Do the math on that and each piece would technically be worth $0.57.

Do they know how much Nike makes on average per year??? Yet they don't really go into detail about how much it costs to make an attire, never mind how much they pay the employees over seas per hour.

I just love it when people who only knows how to count numbers, slap on a generalized statement of 'we made x amounts over y amount of time, therefore it's totally justifiable.'

This honestly is scumbaggery to the highest degree, and if those top ranking CEOs have family members who are in the graphics or trades industry, I'm pretty sure they won't let their own be subjected to this degradation.
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Kamakru Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013
The thing is that I understand if a company is just starting out they might not be able to afford a lot for a logo, but they don't seem to realize that the same designer can make more than one design! And no matter how 99Designs wants to sugar coat it, it's still horrible how they chose to 'market' the designer for their site. They're not helping designers, they're taking advantage of them and helping only the companies that want to save a buck. I hope any decent designer out there has enough brains to never submit anything to that site.
Oh yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't let their family members participate in any of that. :/
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Eullogy-Enterprises Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
good lord this is real?
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ObsidianGrey Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I cant believe companies like this can even exist
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ObsidianGrey Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is why I hate capitalism
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bumble-boo Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Artist
Good for you for posting this!

Hey, would you mind if I pretty much copied and pasted what you wrote and passed it along into my journal? I'll quote you of course, I just have so much homework, but I want this word to be spread.

Lemme know!
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
doesnt matter if you copied and pasted the whole thing, the important thing is that everyone should know about this. Thanks Kailey!
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bumble-boo Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Student Artist
Woohoo! Thanks Jimmy! :)
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Spex84 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
Fuck this makes me mad.
The worst part is, there's no way to argue against it within the capitalist, materialist model that most of the world operates within, these days. What could possibly be wrong with offering clients more choice, greater volume of results, all for less cash and (implied) higher probability of success?? It's a win-win!
Yeah...everyone wins, except the artists, those who actually _produce_ the value in this equation. The ONLY WAY FOR THIS EQUATION TO NOT WORK: STOP SUBMITTING ARTWORK, PEOPLE.
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fuzion-predator Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
Welcome in Capitalismland my friend, The Land of Slavery ! One advice if you want to survive in this land : just think about yourself, spit at the face of others , give them the less possible and you'll make it easily, and reach success very soon.

Sorry for this little ad, but yeah that's f*cking disgusting, it's like a whorehouse for graphic designer, except everyone gives a blowjob, so it's more like a rape, yeah...it's rape.
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garyjsmith Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Shared with my crew on Facebook. This is absurd
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AxisEnigma Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Ewww its like.... those contests that people want you to join. Only you get a banana at the end instead of some appreciation and applause.

And theres no second place. I am dissapoint.
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AdmiralSakai Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
Welcome to social-media nutcasery.




I remember reading a journal from another artist I'm following- he's a video game concept artist just starting out, and he couldn't figure out why the market has become unsurviveably cheap. Perhaps I should forward him this.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
do it, forward him this and please pass this on to other artists you know!
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metalformer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The way I see it, was rewarded for doing precisely what many people want: to have cheap labor. They do not care about the needs of artists but their own! The same happens in other areas and many are forced to sell their dignity in order to eat!
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
it's not only artists, but it can be applied to almost anything if this gets out of hands. Imagine if you want to get a dental check up, instead of having 1 dentist working on your teeth, you have more than a couple hundreds, and you decide who gave you the best cleaning, and YOU make up how much you want to pay. Doesn't make any sense does it?
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metalformer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I share your opinion 100%. It can and do apply to everything. Clients (to use a general term) wants good work for a fraction of the price it would cost. It is like going out on the street to pick up people on the corner to work odd jobs for whatever the client wants to pay so he/she don't have to pay a fair salary, not to mention health benefits, social security, insurance, etc.

They all definitively do not care about the needs of the contractor Clients (again, general term) who has to pay taxes and living expenses, like if they would be living under a rock or ma cardboard box beneath some bridge! Because they are certainly not naive or ignorant about the issue.

The client has the right to bargain for fair prices, but cannot pretend the contractor do the work for mere pennies, because the cost of living dictates the fares a contractor will charge for the work in question, not to mention the contractor has the right to charge whatever he/she wants because it is his/her talent he/she is selling.
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Therhi Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
This is just awful. My heart hurts when it comes to this industry's issues. I don't understand why people think that professional art, or any art for that matter, is something so simple. It can't just be cranked out within seconds and be good. If you're willing to put in the time and money to pay someone, at least make it worth how hard they worked. But instead we have sites like this... The analogy of Craig's List is all too true....

:C Artists, especially new ones, need to remember that their time is worth something and should not be squandered.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
it's not just artists, apply that to any profession such as auto mechanic, pluming, landscaping, dental, or even going to a restaurant. Would you have 300+ auto mechanics working on your car, and deciding to pay the 'winner' a made up amount you think is best?... This shit needs to stop right now, so please spread the word.
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Therhi Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Definitely! I'll tell everyone I know!
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loish Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
great points. i hate websites that promote the idea that art is cheap and easy to make, and that you can rip off artists. it's this climate that is really poisonous and permeating the mindset of everyone in the creative industry. and i feel so bad for the artists who sell themselves short in this way and don't realize that there are other options!!
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks, if you have time please pass this along to everyone you know!
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Awesometacious Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist
This concept does indeed suck... I mean, I might be ok with 5designs.. but any more than that and you really are setting the bar too low :S
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thomasVanDijk Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
99designs can crawl up into a hole and die if you ask me.

Have you got any source to the info about the reward? I think the design community needs to be able to respond to this.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
just look up on their website for their professional endorsements and you'll see why every company is hyped about this cheap crowd sourcing garbage.
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thomasVanDijk Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also, there's no good designs on 99designs. Just rip-offs and doodles made in MSpaint.
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Daandric Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student General Artist
You can relate with voting contests here on deviantart. It's not the quality, it's the quantity. Same as anywhere in the world.
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The world is run by money grubbing douchebags. It's simply spreading.

I never gave a second thought about that website, but you put it into a good category...It's rather despicable.
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sarilys Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Filmographer
The bad thing with technology is that everybody think they can do a professionals job because they have the tools. If anything people should do like the film industry and create national unions of artist so we would stop getting fuck over by some stupid people who lower our wadge as artist. They lower the paying standards for actual artist. A good book on pricing and [link]. It's like that in animation, visual special effects illustration and so on.
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ArtDoge Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
no you're quite wrong on the contrary. Sure everyone has access to technology, but not everyone has the skills required to do the same job. A kid coming out of highschool who has zero experience or skills in graphic design cannot produce the same quality of work as a professional graphic artist who's been in business for more than a decade even though they may both have the latest edition to an Adobe Creative Suite. Those company leaders have zero idea how this creative industry works, and it is up to the artists and skilled workers themselves to raise up a voice and educate everyone in order to prevent this fuck up from snowballing.
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